cruelcore1 Advanced Member
Croatia (Hrvatska)
1,485 posts Joined: May, 2010
Posted - 2011/12/18 : 20:06:47
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
...I feel old skool happy hardcore just had much more emotion and felt like someone really happy made them.
Happiest sound of the history indeed. But for me, there's nothing that can induce the emotion better than GOOD modern HC. Uplifting, more true-uplifting than "Uplifting Hardcore" yet less true uplifting than Uplifting Trance (its too much of ambient).
Talkin about happy, J-Core is more of a friend. Japanese people don't think you're a pussy if u like happy stuff (we in HC are the same, but im talkin about scenes in general). Or at least its less of a problem cuz im not too informed.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/18 : 21:43:59
Very good points raised:
Trance has a naturally uplifting sound, Upfront Hardcore is more Uplifting than Happy Hardcore in my opinion; big soaring riffs, huge vocals and drops etc. Happy Hardcore isn't really about being Uplifting or rushy, it's more of a big smiley cheese fest, back in 1997 there were still illegal hardcore parties going on in the UK, ecstasy was the drug of choice etc. Now that's changed a lot so the music sounds different and has a different attitude.
And S3RL, S3RL is a good one to mention because he makes Happy Upfront Hardcore. The thing is, he and many others make Happy Upfront Hardcore with trancey synths because Hardcore is all about Trancey synths at the moment, he wouldn't get very far if he made tracks that sounded 10 years old. I have my monthly Happy Hardcore Kandykast which just basically showcases the happiest in modern Hardcore regardless of style. When a Happier style of Hardcore comes along, it will be all about that instead and there will be less focus on the trancey sounding stuff because it won't sound as happy in comparison.
I love S3RL's music and thank god he makes it really because hardcore would be boring without it but it'll never be as cheesy or as Happy as the 90s sounding stuff. S3RL's kicks are really solid and hard as opposed to the bouncier kicks from old skool hardcore.
cruelcore1 Advanced Member
Croatia (Hrvatska)
1,485 posts Joined: May, 2010
Posted - 2011/12/18 : 22:36:29
Weird cuz Uplifting Hardcore term originates from HHC time. Uplifting is not a term with rlly fixed meaning. Just stuff that takes most of people high. And most of oldskool and modern Trance sounds dark to me...
I think more people should do oldskool styles, eventhough I wouldnt perfer that. Its not like anyone listens to Hardcore in these times lol, and most of the scene underestimates modern styles anyway.
P.S. Is it just me or are most of the oldskool lovers into Freeform?
Alert moderatorEdited by - cruelcore1 on 2011/12/18 22:41:36
SparkzMusic Senior Member
Zimbabwe
334 posts Joined: Apr, 2011
Posted - 2011/12/19 : 02:23:57
yep exactly, uplifting music is music that makes you feel happy, feel like going out and put a smile on your face.
Yes a lot changed from oldskool to happycore to uk hardcore, but a lot also stayed and to many who followed the scene it had just evolved. Yes it got a bit over the top when cascada remixes were being done but still wasnt as bad as it is now.
The thing that gets to me more than anything is the mainstream hardcore of today is only being made 95% for the money and probably 5% because they like the style.
What does need to happen is the older classic established artists need to start making their styles again to balance things. I think I have a lot of great ideas track wise and would love to work with a retired producer of the happy hardcore days. Years ago I did work with a retired producer of them days and learnt a lot, but my production wasnt exactly up to scratch.
I have got in touch with a few over the years but no reply, it seems the few that are possibly willing to produce again have also become all about money, they hook up with the best up and comings around, and as i mentioned in another post, let all the up and comings do the production (usually dubstep/electro core because of course if any up and comings are going to be nearly established, thats the style they need to be making), then put their name on it to give it a chance to sell more.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/19 : 17:24:10
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
yep exactly, uplifting music is music that makes you feel happy, feel like going out and put a smile on your face.
Yes a lot changed from oldskool to happycore to uk hardcore, but a lot also stayed and to many who followed the scene it had just evolved. Yes it got a bit over the top when cascada remixes were being done but still wasnt as bad as it is now.
The thing that gets to me more than anything is the mainstream hardcore of today is only being made 95% for the money and probably 5% because they like the style.
What does need to happen is the older classic established artists need to start making their styles again to balance things. I think I have a lot of great ideas track wise and would love to work with a retired producer of the happy hardcore days. Years ago I did work with a retired producer of them days and learnt a lot, but my production wasnt exactly up to scratch.
I have got in touch with a few over the years but no reply, it seems the few that are possibly willing to produce again have also become all about money, they hook up with the best up and comings around, and as i mentioned in another post, let all the up and comings do the production (usually dubstep/electro core because of course if any up and comings are going to be nearly established, thats the style they need to be making), then put their name on it to give it a chance to sell more.
The reason why is because hardcore is far too close-knit, I've talked to a lot of old 97 producers and many have dropped out because of disagreements in the scene, or because of gossip with their personal lives...it's just silly really, people need to do their own thing, forget about big names, forget about trying to 'make it' or get money and just make some good rave music because they love raves.
I'll debate about music until I'm blue in the face but when it comes to personal arguments between two members here or producers I start to back off, I already see cliques forming and people being associated with others which means other cliques don't like them....actually I'm here for the music, not to get caught up in drama or to join a little clan. I wanna make happy hardcore but I don't want jack shit to do with the hardcore scene because at the moment it's full of people getting held down, petty squabbles happening online between big producers and simple ravers (which is shamefully unprofessional IMHO) and just general stupidity all around. And not to mention with all the dubstep stuff creeping in it just seems like the music isn't worth staying for either.
One of my biggest influences professionally is SCOOTER believe it or not. And everyone always thinks "pshhh Scooter" but at the end of the day, it's not about their music, it's the fact that they make the music that they want, they have a lot of dedicated fans who like them for what they do and they don't get caught up arguing with people online who don't like their music or who's being held down and why, they just get on with it. I don't care how big the HTID brand is or how much money I could get from them if I sucked up for long enough and copied their style, I don't wanna be a part of their scene because it's rotten from the inside out.
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/19 : 21:43:40
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
Have to say for a back to 97 remix there's not much 97 going on. Definitely preferred the Hardcore Fever 2011.
Old skool remakes...they're a nice way to relive the past and some of them are so good but I think really for people wanting the happy hardcore sound we just need to make something original and bring back the sound a bit more. There are old skool sounding tracks that are VERY 97 but made in 2010/2011 and then there are the trancier versions of old happy hardcore, and then you have some tracks which are somewhere inbetween, they're all enjoyable though.
d2kx Junior Member
Germany
127 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2011/12/21 : 00:58:14
What can people expect from Clubland X-Treme Hardcore 8?
This time it has been really exciting as we have really gone and expressed a real varied track listing and hardly any of the typical chart remixes are included because 'Hardcore' music in general this year has been so strong and well produced it had to feature a lot more.
warped_candykid Advanced Member
United States
3,977 posts Joined: Jan, 2004
Posted - 2011/12/21 : 07:03:15
quote:Originally posted by d2kx: What can people expect from Clubland X-Treme Hardcore 8?
This time it has been really exciting as we have really gone and expressed a real varied track listing and hardly any of the typical chart remixes are included because 'Hardcore' music in general this year has been so strong and well produced it had to feature a lot more.
...wait, what? This album project had the option to include a full tracklist of original Hardcore work the entire time of it's run thus far. The only reason this project is still running is because AATW has money, not because of crappy remixes of chart tracks (though that had a part of it for the people who had no clue there were original artists and work outside Clubland X-Treme Hardcore.)
NekoShuffle Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,480 posts Joined: Nov, 2009
Posted - 2011/12/21 : 09:50:37
quote:Originally posted by warped_candykid:
quote:Originally posted by d2kx: What can people expect from Clubland X-Treme Hardcore 8?
This time it has been really exciting as we have really gone and expressed a real varied track listing and hardly any of the typical chart remixes are included because 'Hardcore' music in general this year has been so strong and well produced it had to feature a lot more.
...wait, what? This album project had the option to include a full tracklist of original Hardcore work the entire time of it's run thus far. The only reason this project is still running is because AATW has money, not because of crappy remixes of chart tracks (though that had a part of it for the people who had no clue there were original artists and work outside Clubland X-Treme Hardcore.)
Yeah this is kind of silly, for years I've accepted the defense that it's commercial because it's a clubland CD and they make sure the CD fits AATW's criteria, okay fair enough...but now they're saying it doesn't matter and they can include whatever they like? Whatever, I'm not interested in a CD from a company who can't even tell the truth.
Dys7 Advanced Member
United States
1,231 posts Joined: Nov, 2011
Posted - 2011/12/21 : 10:15:00
quote:Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
quote:Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
yep exactly, uplifting music is music that makes you feel happy, feel like going out and put a smile on your face.
Yes a lot changed from oldskool to happycore to uk hardcore, but a lot also stayed and to many who followed the scene it had just evolved. Yes it got a bit over the top when cascada remixes were being done but still wasnt as bad as it is now.
The thing that gets to me more than anything is the mainstream hardcore of today is only being made 95% for the money and probably 5% because they like the style.
What does need to happen is the older classic established artists need to start making their styles again to balance things. I think I have a lot of great ideas track wise and would love to work with a retired producer of the happy hardcore days. Years ago I did work with a retired producer of them days and learnt a lot, but my production wasnt exactly up to scratch.
I have got in touch with a few over the years but no reply, it seems the few that are possibly willing to produce again have also become all about money, they hook up with the best up and comings around, and as i mentioned in another post, let all the up and comings do the production (usually dubstep/electro core because of course if any up and comings are going to be nearly established, thats the style they need to be making), then put their name on it to give it a chance to sell more.
The reason why is because hardcore is far too close-knit, I've talked to a lot of old 97 producers and many have dropped out because of disagreements in the scene, or because of gossip with their personal lives...it's just silly really, people need to do their own thing, forget about big names, forget about trying to 'make it' or get money and just make some good rave music because they love raves.
I'll debate about music until I'm blue in the face but when it comes to personal arguments between two members here or producers I start to back off, I already see cliques forming and people being associated with others which means other cliques don't like them....actually I'm here for the music, not to get caught up in drama or to join a little clan. I wanna make happy hardcore but I don't want jack shit to do with the hardcore scene because at the moment it's full of people getting held down, petty squabbles happening online between big producers and simple ravers (which is shamefully unprofessional IMHO) and just general stupidity all around. And not to mention with all the dubstep stuff creeping in it just seems like the music isn't worth staying for either.
One of my biggest influences professionally is SCOOTER believe it or not. And everyone always thinks "pshhh Scooter" but at the end of the day, it's not about their music, it's the fact that they make the music that they want, they have a lot of dedicated fans who like them for what they do and they don't get caught up arguing with people online who don't like their music or who's being held down and why, they just get on with it. I don't care how big the HTID brand is or how much money I could get from them if I sucked up for long enough and copied their style, I don't wanna be a part of their scene because it's rotten from the inside out.
He's right, and it still happens today.
This is the reason Stormtrooper left, people kept ripping him off and treating him like crap.
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The above comment was likely written when I was *literally* 13, so please don't judge me too hard.
Samination Advanced Member
Sweden
13,227 posts Joined: Jul, 2004
195 hardcore releases
Posted - 2011/12/21 : 11:14:13
he left cause he didnt like the music anymore, stop making excuses for people!!!! Why would they stop making msuic just because there's douchebags around? Do your own ****ing race!
If it was as easy to leave a job like it would be in music, alot more people would do it.
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cruelcore1 Advanced Member
Croatia (Hrvatska)
1,485 posts Joined: May, 2010
Posted - 2011/12/21 : 15:17:08
People have to make money for living, and that's why they do modern style they prefer less. But is it that everyone think u can "copy" only 1 style ATM and not the other? They should add sum commercial spirit to make sum money, and produce older styles they prefer for the fun of it. The tracks will become more popular in time along with their commercial stuff.
Lucky for me, many people like the music i like, and since Im quite picky many "love" it too. So thats what I make. Boss told me how crazy about my stuff people are. And eventhough many of my EDM buddies prefer other styles, they love UK HC. If the label I'm co-leading progresses well, I think we'll be able to promote the old styles too (of all EDM), and even new forms, and eventhough I don't prefer them, I think they deserve much more popularity.
The reason why there r so many people copying the new style is bcuz theres nothing else out there so we get only modern producers. New people who'd like older happy and crazy stuff can hardly come across any of them, while if they stick to Hands Up or HS, it could take them to modern HC. Thus there are no producers copying the old style.
Was it in this topic tht people actually pissed on Breeze? Actually, they piss on him everytime hes mentioned. As far as I remember his quoted reply, he didn't tell anyone they are suppose to like the new styles, unlike some poster said. Its just that it's none of your business what he makes and tht u should look for other artists if u dislike him. "Settle up with the times", cuz what else can u do? Its what youd all say when ending up in a discussion with a real oldfag complaining about electronic and everything. There are many oldskool tracks and old-styles artists still exist. If youre in oldskool scene, it won't be hard 2 find them. Ask Smoogie if u need help. And rage against Breeze? Rather take care about David Guetta and Tiesto first - that'd be wrong too, but definitely smarter.
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