Clubland Hardcore 8!

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Originally posted by cruelcore1:

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
^ The reason I love Happy Hardcore so much was because it offered something no other genre of music had, there was no other genre of electronic music that was dedicated to being happy as it's sole purpose, it brought something unique and original to the table. That's why I prefer Happy Hardcore to Hardcore; Happy Hardcore is unique, Hardcore for the most part, isn't.

As for the money thing, I always hear this "If they wanted money they wouldn't be in hardcore" no offence but it's difficult to master a genre, if Darren Styles started producing trance he wouldn't suddenly be up there with Above and Beyond or Tiesto, his music wouldn't be that good because he doesn't have the experience in making trance and would make no more money out of it than any new producer in that scene (which is no more than Hardcore). That's why Hardcore producers don't jump ship to another genre to make money - they wouldn't make any money because they'd suck at it.

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All it takes is some effort and adding a few albums on ur MP3 player. And in a few months you'll be as good in another genre just as ure in HC.

But ure right it takes a plenty of effort either way. There are so many Trance and House producers its impossible to stand out. But as HC scene is growing, and I experienced modern ppl actually liking the music, it seems to me like safer choice (but I dont think others think tht way too).


EDIT: Anyway, LOLITABOT OLDSKOOL HARDCORE!

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Originally posted by Dys7:
I have a song with the genre listed as "Breaky Classical Acid Dubstep"

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Originally posted by cruelcore1:
LOL it sounds so much like oldskool

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

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Originally posted by LoveThaCore:

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

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Originally posted by _Jay_:

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Originally posted by deathproof627:
i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.

Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing

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Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."

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Yeah it's that 'You don't agree with me therefore you're a hater' nonsense that I see so many DJs and producers coming out with. The word 'hater' is just a way for idiots to deal with criticism they can't take, it makes them feel important in a roundabout way ("wow I'm so popular I have haters as well as fans"). People who seriously make use of the word 'hater' have a severe personality disorder they should probably get checked out.

Breeze has spent most of his time DJing at raves where the only bad criticism he's used to is maybe a few hecklers and some bad record sales, he doesn't understand internet culture and hasn't been a part of it. He needs to understand that it's a different game here and that people WILL criticize you openly, personally I would take that as a godsend but some people refuse to believe they're doing anything that could dissatisfy others so they write them off as 'haters' or 'keyboard warriors'. The funny part is that the internet has gotten a lot, lot kinder in recent years in regards to criticism etc. he wouldn't have stood a chance a few years ago before the days of facebook and twitter, the internet would have destroyed him.

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I don't know where you got bad record sales from. Sounds like your making stuff up!!! Actually his label Future World has had numerous number ones on Trackitdown. That's the trouble with people like you. You put shit on all the people that are making music YOU don't like. I spose you don't like Recon, Klubfiller, Styles, Squade as well???

WHO MADE YOU JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER of what hardcore people should listen to Nekoshuffle??? I think your self appointed LOL:)

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You're an idiot, listen to what DMS said because he is spot on. I've told you many times in many threads about why this style of hardcore is awful and all you do is pick a moot point from the long posts I write and then tell me some crap about trackitdown sales which don't actually account for all that much.

There's a lot of hardcore I don't like, doesn't mean I think it's bad. But the Electro/Dubstep/Minimal hardcore is bad, as DMS said, there's nothing unique or creative about taking whatever is popular, whacking it up an extra 40 BPM and trying to pass it off as the 'future of hardcore'. I LOVE Bananaman, Force & Styles, Hopscotch, all the really cheesy 1996 happy hardcore on Essential Platinum etc. but if someone tried to tell me it was the future of hardcore I'd say that's stupid because as much as I like it it's far too basic as a genre to really be the future of anything. This has nothing to do with what I do or don't like.

I'm a massive fan of Styles and Squad-E and I have loads of Re-Con tunes thank you very kindly. Last month I spent over 1000 canadian dollars on a trip to fly 4000 miles to Toronto to see Re-Con and Technikore and next March I'll be doing the exact same to see Force & Styles; so be careful what you say when you start throwing accusations around with no factual basis.

You're just an idiot trying to justify your tastes by flinging shit at me and trying to call me a liar; you never respond intelligently to any of my posts and constantly dodge questions I pose, so to be honest I don't think you have a leg to stand on. You are ignorant and completely in denial that the music you like is simply bad and you try to justify this by telling everyone else that they need to 'get with the times'. I was listening to (and enjoying) electro before anyone knew who Deadmau5 was and I was listening to dubstep before Styles released Skydivin'

I don't hold anything against Breeze or anyone for producing dubstepcore or electrocore, I produce as well and I wouldn't like it if someone told me what I could and couldn't make, but at the end of the day the simple fact is that it is not the future of hardcore and to act as though it is will cause more problems for this scene which it really doesn't need. Maybe being from Australia you probably think that everyone listens to hardcore here, let me clarify; a TINY percentage of the UK listens to hardcore. 3 tracks on Kutski's show that airs at 1-3am every friday night when most people are asleep or busy is the most amount of mainstream exposure hardcore gets here. Occassionally, we get a hardcore guest mix, and as you have probably seen; it gets a multi-page thread and almost everyone has a listen.

And you say Vinylgroover made Hard Dance shite, actually since he transferred to the hard dance scene it's just grown and grown and grown. Hard Dance is much bigger than Hardcore right now, I talk to Scott every now and again and he's always doing photoshoots, getting interviewed, working on artist albums, collaborating with massive names and DJing huge parties with massive lineups that draw international crowds, I'm not even a fan of Hard Dance outside of hearing it at raves when it's alongside hardcore, but it's thriving and people love it. Cyberdog practically redesigned half of its clothes, stock and CD selection because Hard Dance has grown so much, you'll never see that happen for hardcore because as I said in the Kutski thread - it's associated with Chavs and the public doesn't want to touch it. Global Gathering got rid of it's hard dance stage for all the harder styles of electronic music just because they don't like the crowd it attracts - which you can blame the arseholes that Hardcore and Drum n Bass attracts.

If the music was good I wouldn't be sat here arguing about it on a friday or saturday night I'd be out there raving to it, but alas it isn't good and that is the thing that you fail to understand. I honestly don't know how I can simplify this any further. There are so many people complaining about the dubsteppy/electro hardcore, many of them have already shown they're intelligent enough to argue their points with reasoned debate and logic and all you do is rush in calling people liars and making personal attacks on them because they don't like what you like. If you like the new sound of hardcore, good, that is honestly a good thing and I'm glad you enjoy it, but don't come in arguing the odds as if you actually know something about the genre because it's evident that you don't know a thing about it and are just trying to justify your tastes because you don't like admitting the fact it is comparitively bad music.

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Originally posted by LoveThaCore:

Man you just totally contradicted yourself again. Because you say it's bad that makes it bad does it??? If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves?? Also why did recon and styles "like a bitch" win hardcore track of the year?? Which is electro hardcore and was voted by the ravers. Yes the ravers voted for an electro hardcore track. Oh no, but Necko wanker knows best. He's the only one that's right. He's judge jury and executioner of the hardcore scene. He knows more than Breeze who been djing before Necko wanker was born. Neck knows everything. And as soon as someone proves Necko wrong, they are an idiot apparently. No everyone hates electro and dubstep in hardcore because Necko says so. Even though Gammers plays it every weekend and has been voted best hardcore dj by the ravers. No but because Necko says it's bad music, it won't be made in future. There for Necko is right everybody.

Also you say I don't know a thing about Hardcore. Well I saw everyone complaining about trance hardcore in 1999 when it changed from the 90's happy sounds. Is it still around?? Yes it is dickhead.. How old were you in 1999? Yes 8 years old!!! So how the fark would you know what your talking about. I'm pretty sure your mum was still wiping your ass at that age judging by your intelligence and the way you making out you know it all when your just a wannabe..


As for flying shit, you are always doing it towards Breeze or anyone that likes music you don't like. Maybe Hard dance has grown, but why have so many hard dance djs dipped out of the dj top 100?

Like I said, people complain about music when it evolves or changes and you are just going to have to accept it. And stop being arrogant because you don't like it. You just can't hack generational change at raves with the music and just carry on like a total fool.

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Originally posted by Dys7:
I think you're looking at this wrong - no where did he say EVERYONE ELSE felt the same way, he never said he was speaking for others, it's just his opinion. He doesn't like electro dubstep hardcore, so he's saying that. Don't start pissing on him for having an opinion.

Also, people voting for that stuff is going to happen everywhere. I'm sure theres much better, simply AMAZING metal besides Metallica (etc), but who's gonna be winning an award? Metallica.
DS is very well known, almost the face of hardcore to outsiders.
I doubt the songs that really deserved it got the recognition they needed to win the award, simply because of the nature of the genre.

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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
Id like to have an opinion, but what we have here is 11 pages of essay replies...

Could someone summarise for me?

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If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves??

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Originally posted by LoveThaCore:

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

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Originally posted by _Jay_:

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Originally posted by deathproof627:
i was reading through Breezes posts last night and some guy told him that he didn't want any electro/dubstep influenced stuff any Breeze responded by saying that this new influence is how hardcore is progressing and how this is what modern hardcore is. If u dont like it then piss off to 2003.

Sources:Breezes facebook, My paraphrasing

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Breeze acts like a fcuking prick on facebook. No idea what he's like in real life, and I have a colossal amount of respect for him, musically - but some of the stuff he comes out with, you just think "Come on mate, you must be, what, 40? And you're acting like a defensive little girl."

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Yeah it's that 'You don't agree with me therefore you're a hater' nonsense that I see so many DJs and producers coming out with. The word 'hater' is just a way for idiots to deal with criticism they can't take, it makes them feel important in a roundabout way ("wow I'm so popular I have haters as well as fans"). People who seriously make use of the word 'hater' have a severe personality disorder they should probably get checked out.

Breeze has spent most of his time DJing at raves where the only bad criticism he's used to is maybe a few hecklers and some bad record sales, he doesn't understand internet culture and hasn't been a part of it. He needs to understand that it's a different game here and that people WILL criticize you openly, personally I would take that as a godsend but some people refuse to believe they're doing anything that could dissatisfy others so they write them off as 'haters' or 'keyboard warriors'. The funny part is that the internet has gotten a lot, lot kinder in recent years in regards to criticism etc. he wouldn't have stood a chance a few years ago before the days of facebook and twitter, the internet would have destroyed him.

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I don't know where you got bad record sales from. Sounds like your making stuff up!!! Actually his label Future World has had numerous number ones on Trackitdown. That's the trouble with people like you. You put shit on all the people that are making music YOU don't like. I spose you don't like Recon, Klubfiller, Styles, Squade as well???

WHO MADE YOU JUDGE JURY AND EXECUTIONER of what hardcore people should listen to Nekoshuffle??? I think your self appointed LOL:)

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You're an idiot, listen to what DMS said because he is spot on. I've told you many times in many threads about why this style of hardcore is awful and all you do is pick a moot point from the long posts I write and then tell me some crap about trackitdown sales which don't actually account for all that much.

There's a lot of hardcore I don't like, doesn't mean I think it's bad. But the Electro/Dubstep/Minimal hardcore is bad, as DMS said, there's nothing unique or creative about taking whatever is popular, whacking it up an extra 40 BPM and trying to pass it off as the 'future of hardcore'. I LOVE Bananaman, Force & Styles, Hopscotch, all the really cheesy 1996 happy hardcore on Essential Platinum etc. but if someone tried to tell me it was the future of hardcore I'd say that's stupid because as much as I like it it's far too basic as a genre to really be the future of anything. This has nothing to do with what I do or don't like.

I'm a massive fan of Styles and Squad-E and I have loads of Re-Con tunes thank you very kindly. Last month I spent over 1000 canadian dollars on a trip to fly 4000 miles to Toronto to see Re-Con and Technikore and next March I'll be doing the exact same to see Force & Styles; so be careful what you say when you start throwing accusations around with no factual basis.

You're just an idiot trying to justify your tastes by flinging shit at me and trying to call me a liar; you never respond intelligently to any of my posts and constantly dodge questions I pose, so to be honest I don't think you have a leg to stand on. You are ignorant and completely in denial that the music you like is simply bad and you try to justify this by telling everyone else that they need to 'get with the times'. I was listening to (and enjoying) electro before anyone knew who Deadmau5 was and I was listening to dubstep before Styles released Skydivin'

I don't hold anything against Breeze or anyone for producing dubstepcore or electrocore, I produce as well and I wouldn't like it if someone told me what I could and couldn't make, but at the end of the day the simple fact is that it is not the future of hardcore and to act as though it is will cause more problems for this scene which it really doesn't need. Maybe being from Australia you probably think that everyone listens to hardcore here, let me clarify; a TINY percentage of the UK listens to hardcore. 3 tracks on Kutski's show that airs at 1-3am every friday night when most people are asleep or busy is the most amount of mainstream exposure hardcore gets here. Occassionally, we get a hardcore guest mix, and as you have probably seen; it gets a multi-page thread and almost everyone has a listen.

And you say Vinylgroover made Hard Dance shite, actually since he transferred to the hard dance scene it's just grown and grown and grown. Hard Dance is much bigger than Hardcore right now, I talk to Scott every now and again and he's always doing photoshoots, getting interviewed, working on artist albums, collaborating with massive names and DJing huge parties with massive lineups that draw international crowds, I'm not even a fan of Hard Dance outside of hearing it at raves when it's alongside hardcore, but it's thriving and people love it. Cyberdog practically redesigned half of its clothes, stock and CD selection because Hard Dance has grown so much, you'll never see that happen for hardcore because as I said in the Kutski thread - it's associated with Chavs and the public doesn't want to touch it. Global Gathering got rid of it's hard dance stage for all the harder styles of electronic music just because they don't like the crowd it attracts - which you can blame the arseholes that Hardcore and Drum n Bass attracts.

If the music was good I wouldn't be sat here arguing about it on a friday or saturday night I'd be out there raving to it, but alas it isn't good and that is the thing that you fail to understand. I honestly don't know how I can simplify this any further. There are so many people complaining about the dubsteppy/electro hardcore, many of them have already shown they're intelligent enough to argue their points with reasoned debate and logic and all you do is rush in calling people liars and making personal attacks on them because they don't like what you like. If you like the new sound of hardcore, good, that is honestly a good thing and I'm glad you enjoy it, but don't come in arguing the odds as if you actually know something about the genre because it's evident that you don't know a thing about it and are just trying to justify your tastes because you don't like admitting the fact it is comparitively bad music.

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Man you just totally contradicted yourself again. Because you say it's bad that makes it bad does it??? If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves?? Also why did recon and styles "like a bitch" win hardcore track of the year?? Which is electro hardcore and was voted by the ravers. Yes the ravers voted for an electro hardcore track. Oh no, but Necko wanker knows best. He's the only one that's right. He's judge jury and executioner of the hardcore scene. He knows more than Breeze who been djing before Necko wanker was born. Neck knows everything. And as soon as someone proves Necko wrong, they are an idiot apparently. No everyone hates electro and dubstep in hardcore because Necko says so. Even though Gammers plays it every weekend and has been voted best hardcore dj by the ravers. No but because Necko says it's bad music, it won't be made in future. There for Necko is right everybody.

Also you say I don't know a thing about Hardcore. Well I saw everyone complaining about trance hardcore in 1999 when it changed from the 90's happy sounds. Is it still around?? Yes it is dickhead.. How old were you in 1999? Yes 8 years old!!! So how the fark would you know what your talking about. I'm pretty sure your mum was still wiping your ass at that age judging by your intelligence and the way you making out you know it all when your just a wannabe..


As for flying shit, you are always doing it towards Breeze or anyone that likes music you don't like. Maybe Hard dance has grown, but why have so many hard dance djs dipped out of the dj top 100?

Like I said, people complain about music when it evolves or changes and you are just going to have to accept it. And stop being arrogant because you don't like it. You just can't hack generational change at raves with the music and just carry on like a total fool.

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Originally posted by Triquatra:
only thing i can be bothered to pick out is that global gathering got rid of HTID and Random Concept, they didn't get rid of DNB completly (or even hard dance to be fair, a few harder edge tracks made it into the electric arena, regardless it was to do with the rise of Dubstep, and a possible rumour about HTID/Random Concept selling tape packs of the event that HTID/Random Concept were not asked to come back.

as a global regular, and seeing the DnB tent, i can confirm that it was exactly the same crowd, perhaps even more chavvy because of the Dubstep and DnB :P



by the way, theres so much writing i've no idea what the GG comment was regarding, or in what context it was meant, i just wanted to point that out :)

neko, what happened to "actually I'm here for the music, not to get caught up in drama" :P

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