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NekoShuffle
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 Posted - 2011/12/23 : 18:34:29
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Originally posted by Triquatra:
i disagreed with you on skrillex and the way the country is heading - thats not everything! :P
electrohardcore sucks hairy nads! :P
Generally though we have do contrasting viewpoints! ...wait, are we disagreeing about disagreeing with each other?
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 18:47:53
hehe other than skrillex and some politics I don't think i've disagreed with anything else!
the only other things I can think of are drugs, music and how people should respect each other.. and i've been 100% with you on all of those!
back on subject though, i've heard the clips now and I wasnt turned on by any of them - that said, i didn't expect to be, CXH isn't really aimed at me
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NekoShuffle
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 18:58:15
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Originally posted by Triquatra:
hehe other than skrillex and some politics I don't think i've disagreed with anything else!
the only other things I can think of are drugs, music and how people should respect each other.. and i've been 100% with you on all of those!
back on subject though, i've heard the clips now and I wasnt turned on by any of them - that said, i didn't expect to be, CXH isn't really aimed at me
Me neither, but I have to say I'm really not happy about the DS preview. At 2:40 the song copied the same drop as Skrillex's remix of Cinema, we were told this CD would be fresh, regardless of what I think of electrocore copying a drop from a remix is not cool and definitely not fresh. To me that just proves these guys are running out of ideas big time and the sound hasn't even taken off yet.
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 20:13:07
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If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves??
Completely different crowd.
two words.....
Spot on!!!
Many ravers who have been loyally supporting hardcore and going to raves for years are sick of the sound (im 1 of them) and no longer attend.
Now looking back years ago many rock music addicts hated dnb, it was the opposite music and as a rock loving friend put it they thought "dnb is the embodiment of shit".
Then what happened? Pendulum were formed and they used to do a few tracks with guitar riffs and very similar sounds to general rock music. All of a sudden floods of "rockers" started listening to it, attending raves and buying the albums.
Hardcore has gone the same way where very few of the ravers that have supported the older styles are attending raves and the profit is about the people newly getting into hardcore attending (namely dubstep/eletro lovers).
I bet if you go to a hardcore rave there will sadly be all sorts there, instead of the people who go out to go mental to the music there would be all sorts (from the hoody wearing type to the casual/smart ben sherman shirt wearers, instead of the yellow jackets and glowstick ravers).
Its not about telling people what they can and cant produce. If truth be told the up and comings make whatever style they want and enjoy making, whereas the bignames make a style of music that will bring the most profit. Hell they would start making childrens music if it gave them more money
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 20:23:02
Absolutely brilliant post Sparkz. Makes sense of it all
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 20:31:57
Im starting to worry that by the time Im even 18 I won't recognize the music I used to love anymore.
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 21:00:30
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves??
Completely different crowd.
two words.....
Spot on!!!
Many ravers who have been loyally supporting hardcore and going to raves for years are sick of the sound (im 1 of them) and no longer attend.
Now looking back years ago many rock music addicts hated dnb, it was the opposite music and as a rock loving friend put it they thought "dnb is the embodiment of shit".
Then what happened? Pendulum were formed and they used to do a few tracks with guitar riffs and very similar sounds to general rock music. All of a sudden floods of "rockers" started listening to it, attending raves and buying the albums.
Hardcore has gone the same way where very few of the ravers that have supported the older styles are attending raves and the profit is about the people newly getting into hardcore attending (namely dubstep/eletro lovers).
I bet if you go to a hardcore rave there will sadly be all sorts there, instead of the people who go out to go mental to the music there would be all sorts (from the hoody wearing type to the casual/smart ben sherman shirt wearers, instead of the yellow jackets and glowstick ravers).
I can confirm this, going to a rave and seeing someone who looks like a raver is always a shock to me. Most people spend their time at the bar or in the smoking area wearing jeans and a t-shirt or hoodies or polo shirts etc. I've had people literally point at me and go "LOOK, A RAVER" because I look like one. Ridiculous. I was talking to Uncle Dugs about the scene as he's been in it since the beginning and even he said it hasn't been the same since it changed to clubs in the late 90s, and the trance elements came in as a result of this, seeing as trance was club music. That's why I like the old skool, not because I can't move forward or because I have a grudge, but because THAT is rave music to me, and what we have now is club music, there's no comparison. Some of it is good club music at a hardcore pace, but it's not rave music by any stretch of the imagination.
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 21:05:39
I wish Styles would get back to his roots. You don't see any hits like "Save Me", "Feel Love", or "Come Running" anymore. Nope, instead we have Like A Bitch and Screwface!
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 22:44:04
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Originally posted by Dys7:
I wish Styles would get back to his roots. You don't see any hits like "Save Me", "Feel Love", or "Come Running" anymore. Nope, instead we have Like A Bitch and Screwface!
yea completely, and that sums up 100% the way hardcore is being taken away from what it stood for.... look at the names for example.... "happy hardcore" days: heart of gold, pretty green eyes, pacific sun... then 2000ish+ "uk hardcore" days: your shining, slide away, heartbeatz. All cheesey sounding names.
Now "like a bitch".... If I didnt know and someone told me they were listening to a track with that title, I would think either rock or something dirty sounding.... not hardcore.
Completely lost respect over the years for these bignames. I just dont get it, because they are making stuff that people who dont like hardcore enjoy, they are getting more money and charge stupid amounts to remix a track or play in a club, so to get into a rave the ravers that belong in the raves are paying more money to rave to crap.
Whats it going to be next? tea and biscuit evenings featuring the clubland (not so) xtreme hardcore crew
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Hard2Get
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 22:59:19
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
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Originally posted by Dys7:
I wish Styles would get back to his roots. You don't see any hits like "Save Me", "Feel Love", or "Come Running" anymore. Nope, instead we have Like A Bitch and Screwface!
yea completely, and that sums up 100% the way hardcore is being taken away from what it stood for.... look at the names for example.... "happy hardcore" days: heart of gold, pretty green eyes, pacific sun... then 2000ish+ "uk hardcore" days: your shining, slide away, heartbeatz. All cheesey sounding names.
Now "like a bitch".... If I didnt know and someone told me they were listening to a track with that title, I would think either rock or something dirty sounding.... not hardcore.
Completely lost respect over the years for these bignames. I just dont get it, because they are making stuff that people who dont like hardcore enjoy, they are getting more money and charge stupid amounts to remix a track or play in a club, so to get into a rave the ravers that belong in the raves are paying more money to rave to crap.
Whats it going to be next? tea and biscuit evenings featuring the clubland (not so) xtreme hardcore crew
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 23:04:50
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves??
Completely different crowd.
two words.....
Spot on!!!
Many ravers who have been loyally supporting hardcore and going to raves for years are sick of the sound (im 1 of them) and no longer attend.
Now looking back years ago many rock music addicts hated dnb, it was the opposite music and as a rock loving friend put it they thought "dnb is the embodiment of shit".
Then what happened? Pendulum were formed and they used to do a few tracks with guitar riffs and very similar sounds to general rock music. All of a sudden floods of "rockers" started listening to it, attending raves and buying the albums.
Hardcore has gone the same way where very few of the ravers that have supported the older styles are attending raves and the profit is about the people newly getting into hardcore attending (namely dubstep/eletro lovers).
I bet if you go to a hardcore rave there will sadly be all sorts there, instead of the people who go out to go mental to the music there would be all sorts (from the hoody wearing type to the casual/smart ben sherman shirt wearers, instead of the yellow jackets and glowstick ravers).
Its not about telling people what they can and cant produce. If truth be told the up and comings make whatever style they want and enjoy making, whereas the bignames make a style of music that will bring the most profit. Hell they would start making childrens music if it gave them more money
Thats how happy hardcore started 20 years ago! I'm sure Luna-C would know! There were many top 10 hits!
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 23:27:10
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Originally posted by The Doc:
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves??
Completely different crowd.
two words.....
Spot on!!!
Many ravers who have been loyally supporting hardcore and going to raves for years are sick of the sound (im 1 of them) and no longer attend.
Now looking back years ago many rock music addicts hated dnb, it was the opposite music and as a rock loving friend put it they thought "dnb is the embodiment of shit".
Then what happened? Pendulum were formed and they used to do a few tracks with guitar riffs and very similar sounds to general rock music. All of a sudden floods of "rockers" started listening to it, attending raves and buying the albums.
Hardcore has gone the same way where very few of the ravers that have supported the older styles are attending raves and the profit is about the people newly getting into hardcore attending (namely dubstep/eletro lovers).
I bet if you go to a hardcore rave there will sadly be all sorts there, instead of the people who go out to go mental to the music there would be all sorts (from the hoody wearing type to the casual/smart ben sherman shirt wearers, instead of the yellow jackets and glowstick ravers).
Its not about telling people what they can and cant produce. If truth be told the up and comings make whatever style they want and enjoy making, whereas the bignames make a style of music that will bring the most profit. Hell they would start making childrens music if it gave them more money
Thats how happy hardcore started 20 years ago! I'm sure Luna-C would know! There were many top 10 hits!
He's not on about top 10 hits, the fact is that the music now doesn't cater for ravers and is cashing in on a totally different crowd, and as long as that crowd are supporting it, they will favour them over the original ravers who have stuck with the music for years, which is a massive joke really. Pendulum is a perfect example because they did exactly this with the drum n bass scene. They used to make slightly cheesy good catchy drum n bass which had chart hits - no problem. But then they realised their use of guitars had hooked the rock crowd; and then what happened? They changed their label to Sony Music and went from playing drum n bass at raves to playing synth-influenced power rock at sold out arenas. It's not about chart hits - every genre gets its 15 minutes of fame, but when you turn your back on your fans and cater for an entirely new audience with entirely new music, you're no longer a part of the scene you turned your back on. Hardcore is no different.
Speaking of which it's not the first time it's happened either, Prodigy used to be hardcore, and they also used to be ravers who would go to raves to hear Jimmy J and now look at them, they're about as far removed from the scene as you can get.
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 23:27:48
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
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Originally posted by Dys7:
I wish Styles would get back to his roots. You don't see any hits like "Save Me", "Feel Love", or "Come Running" anymore. Nope, instead we have Like A Bitch and Screwface!
yea completely, and that sums up 100% the way hardcore is being taken away from what it stood for.... look at the names for example.... "happy hardcore" days: heart of gold, pretty green eyes, pacific sun... then 2000ish+ "uk hardcore" days: your shining, slide away, heartbeatz. All cheesey sounding names.
Now "like a bitch".... If I didnt know and someone told me they were listening to a track with that title, I would think either rock or something dirty sounding.... not hardcore.
Completely lost respect over the years for these bignames. I just dont get it, because they are making stuff that people who dont like hardcore enjoy, they are getting more money and charge stupid amounts to remix a track or play in a club, so to get into a rave the ravers that belong in the raves are paying more money to rave to crap.
Whats it going to be next? tea and biscuit evenings featuring the clubland (not so) xtreme hardcore crew
Another song I hated was "Take You Down" by Styles. Literally the entire song is some teenaged girl singing BADLY out of tune, whining about how she's a "tough sucka" and shell knock you down. Heres the kicker- the entire song is a minimal, dubby, riffless piece of crap.
How is that PLUR?
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Posted - 2011/12/23 : 23:32:47
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Originally posted by Dys7:
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
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Originally posted by Dys7:
I wish Styles would get back to his roots. You don't see any hits like "Save Me", "Feel Love", or "Come Running" anymore. Nope, instead we have Like A Bitch and Screwface!
yea completely, and that sums up 100% the way hardcore is being taken away from what it stood for.... look at the names for example.... "happy hardcore" days: heart of gold, pretty green eyes, pacific sun... then 2000ish+ "uk hardcore" days: your shining, slide away, heartbeatz. All cheesey sounding names.
Now "like a bitch".... If I didnt know and someone told me they were listening to a track with that title, I would think either rock or something dirty sounding.... not hardcore.
Completely lost respect over the years for these bignames. I just dont get it, because they are making stuff that people who dont like hardcore enjoy, they are getting more money and charge stupid amounts to remix a track or play in a club, so to get into a rave the ravers that belong in the raves are paying more money to rave to crap.
Whats it going to be next? tea and biscuit evenings featuring the clubland (not so) xtreme hardcore crew
Another song I hated was "Take You Down" by Styles. Literally the entire song is some teenaged girl singing BADLY out of tune, whining about how she's a "tough sucka" and shell knock you down. How is that PLUR?
The UK doesn't have PLUR or kandy kids or anything like that, I'm the only kandy kid you will find in the UK and I'm not sticking around here for much longer anyway. When raves were actually raves and not club nights there was a sense of love peace and unity as many referred to it here, but alcohol culture has taken over and in combination with the agressive youths in the club scene it just decimated that vibe and the music's emphasis was more about being HARD than about being happy. Not to mention this new youth culture didn't want to listen to lyrics about love and peace as that's simply not 'cool' and would rather listen to something they could relate to; like punching someone in the face.
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 01:05:37
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by Dys7:
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
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Originally posted by Dys7:
I wish Styles would get back to his roots. You don't see any hits like "Save Me", "Feel Love", or "Come Running" anymore. Nope, instead we have Like A Bitch and Screwface!
yea completely, and that sums up 100% the way hardcore is being taken away from what it stood for.... look at the names for example.... "happy hardcore" days: heart of gold, pretty green eyes, pacific sun... then 2000ish+ "uk hardcore" days: your shining, slide away, heartbeatz. All cheesey sounding names.
Now "like a bitch".... If I didnt know and someone told me they were listening to a track with that title, I would think either rock or something dirty sounding.... not hardcore.
Completely lost respect over the years for these bignames. I just dont get it, because they are making stuff that people who dont like hardcore enjoy, they are getting more money and charge stupid amounts to remix a track or play in a club, so to get into a rave the ravers that belong in the raves are paying more money to rave to crap.
Whats it going to be next? tea and biscuit evenings featuring the clubland (not so) xtreme hardcore crew
Another song I hated was "Take You Down" by Styles. Literally the entire song is some teenaged girl singing BADLY out of tune, whining about how she's a "tough sucka" and shell knock you down. How is that PLUR?
The UK doesn't have PLUR or kandy kids or anything like that, I'm the only kandy kid you will find in the UK and I'm not sticking around here for much longer anyway. When raves were actually raves and not club nights there was a sense of love peace and unity as many referred to it here, but alcohol culture has taken over and in combination with the agressive youths in the club scene it just decimated that vibe and the music's emphasis was more about being HARD than about being happy. Not to mention this new youth culture didn't want to listen to lyrics about love and peace as that's simply not 'cool' and would rather listen to something they could relate to; like punching someone in the face.
I agree with everything apart from the Hard bit. Hardcore is anything but Hard currently lol.
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