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NekoShuffle
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 Posted - 2011/12/24 : 01:22:08
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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I wish Styles would get back to his roots. You don't see any hits like "Save Me", "Feel Love", or "Come Running" anymore. Nope, instead we have Like A Bitch and Screwface!
yea completely, and that sums up 100% the way hardcore is being taken away from what it stood for.... look at the names for example.... "happy hardcore" days: heart of gold, pretty green eyes, pacific sun... then 2000ish+ "uk hardcore" days: your shining, slide away, heartbeatz. All cheesey sounding names.
Now "like a bitch".... If I didnt know and someone told me they were listening to a track with that title, I would think either rock or something dirty sounding.... not hardcore.
Completely lost respect over the years for these bignames. I just dont get it, because they are making stuff that people who dont like hardcore enjoy, they are getting more money and charge stupid amounts to remix a track or play in a club, so to get into a rave the ravers that belong in the raves are paying more money to rave to crap.
Whats it going to be next? tea and biscuit evenings featuring the clubland (not so) xtreme hardcore crew
Another song I hated was "Take You Down" by Styles. Literally the entire song is some teenaged girl singing BADLY out of tune, whining about how she's a "tough sucka" and shell knock you down. How is that PLUR?
The UK doesn't have PLUR or kandy kids or anything like that, I'm the only kandy kid you will find in the UK and I'm not sticking around here for much longer anyway. When raves were actually raves and not club nights there was a sense of love peace and unity as many referred to it here, but alcohol culture has taken over and in combination with the agressive youths in the club scene it just decimated that vibe and the music's emphasis was more about being HARD than about being happy. Not to mention this new youth culture didn't want to listen to lyrics about love and peace as that's simply not 'cool' and would rather listen to something they could relate to; like punching someone in the face.
I agree with everything apart from the Hard bit. Hardcore is anything but Hard currently lol.
Yeah it's weird how the music got less ravey and less underground and the kicks got softer but it's like the music had to make up for it's masculinity and try and be all tough with "Smack you like a bitch" and "get ****ed" and all this other nonsense. It's happy hardcore, it's happy rave music for happy ravers and those happy ravers no matter what country they were from were the ones that would venture into a cold field or warehouse late at night, risking themselves against the elements and stepping on the toes of the law just to hear the tunes they loved from the DJs they worshipped; they'd travel miles to the obscure record shops to find and buy the vinyls of the tracks they loved and would keep checking back regularly in hopes their favorite labels had released more and all without the internet. THAT is real support of underground music and what happens? They completely turned their back on them. I'm not gonna talk about money, that's debatable - but in a simple matter of what's wrong and what's right, they don't have a leg to stand on.
I hope to make a lot of music I enjoy in the future; for me and for the ravers who like it, and if I start going the same way they did, you all have my personal permission to smack me around the face and say "YOU'RE MAKING THIS FOR THE LOVE OF IT".
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 01:28:54
I have only read the last page of this thread, so forgive me if I repeat - I was bored and ego searching to see if I was mentioned lol.
Anyway, I was just gonna say that I don't think you can blame either The Prodigy or Pendulum for moving away from the scenes that birthed them, and you cant blame them for inadvertently changing the scene either. If you have a hugely successful release (and this is true for any artist, rock, rave, hip hop, whatever), you always end up with a problem:
Do you make the same thing you made before, and keep your fans but eventually become boring and disappear, or do you make something new, risk alienating your current fans, but keep what you are doing fresh?
You have to chose one or the other, and neither guarantees more success.
Prodigy outgrew the rave scene, Pendulum outgrew D'n'B. Both did so by being fearless and moving forward with their sound, rather than staying the same. Its annoying to those who regard themselves as "true" followers to the scene, but think of how many "big" artists faded away because they did the same thing over and over again? Remix Records did that in hardcore, and Aphrodite did that in D'n'B, and those are just two of hundreds of examples. There is only so long you can keep putting out the same formula before people get tired of it.
And there is a big difference between outgrowing a scene, and selling out. One is where music changes as the artists feels and the people follow him and grow, the other is when an artist changes his music to get more sales, and its sometimes very hard to see the difference.
What damages the scene is when a bunch of people all copy the big successful act, and everything ends up sounding the same. This is not the fault of the big successful act.
Hardcore will never be itself again until it stops trying to be every other music and reclaims its own sound. It has always been influenced by other music, but being influenced is not the same as being identical only faster.
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 01:36:08
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
I have only read the last page of this thread, so forgive me if I repeat - I was bored and ego searching to see if I was mentioned lol.
Anyway, I was just gonna say that I don't think you can blame either The Prodigy or Pendulum for moving away from the scenes that birthed them, and you cant blame them for inadvertently changing the scene either. If you have a hugely successful release (and this is true for any artist, rock, rave, hip hop, whatever), you always end up with a problem:
Do you make the same thing you made before, and keep your fans but eventually become boring and disappear, or do you make something new, risk alienating your current fans, but keep what you are doing fresh?
You have to chose one or the other, and neither guarantees more success.
Prodigy outgrew the rave scene, Pendulum outgrew D'n'B. Both did so by being fearless and moving forward with their sound, rather than staying the same. Its annoying to those who regard themselves as "true" followers to the scene, but think of how many "big" artists faded away because they did the same thing over and over again? Remix Records did that in hardcore, and Aphrodite did that in D'n'B, and those are just two of hundreds of examples. There is only so long you can keep putting out the same formula before people get tired of it.
And there is a big difference between outgrowing a scene, and selling out. One is where music changes as the artists feels and the people follow him and grow, the other is when an artist changes his music to get more sales, and its sometimes very hard to see the difference.
What damages the scene is when a bunch of people all copy the big successful act, and everything ends up sounding the same. This is not the fault of the big successful act.
Hardcore will never be itself again until it stops trying to be every other music and reclaims its own sound. It has always been influenced by other music, but being influenced is not the same as being identical only faster.
I never blamed them for it, all I'm saying when you change your style and audience that drastically, you can't expect to still be a part of the scene you evolved from. Same with electro hardcore, it's too much of an imitation of club music and they turned their back on the real ravers years ago, therefore they have no right to pretend they're a part of hardcore music at all. You know as well as I do that the modern electrocore has nothing to do with a sound developing because it's far too much of a carbon copy of what other genres are doing for that, but as long as it can't be specifically 'proven' they will continue to act as if they are some kind of musical pioneers when they're anything but.
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 01:44:55
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by The Doc:
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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
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If people are all complaining about it, why is it still selling well and played at raves??
Completely different crowd.
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Spot on!!!
Many ravers who have been loyally supporting hardcore and going to raves for years are sick of the sound (im 1 of them) and no longer attend.
Now looking back years ago many rock music addicts hated dnb, it was the opposite music and as a rock loving friend put it they thought "dnb is the embodiment of shit".
Then what happened? Pendulum were formed and they used to do a few tracks with guitar riffs and very similar sounds to general rock music. All of a sudden floods of "rockers" started listening to it, attending raves and buying the albums.
Hardcore has gone the same way where very few of the ravers that have supported the older styles are attending raves and the profit is about the people newly getting into hardcore attending (namely dubstep/eletro lovers).
I bet if you go to a hardcore rave there will sadly be all sorts there, instead of the people who go out to go mental to the music there would be all sorts (from the hoody wearing type to the casual/smart ben sherman shirt wearers, instead of the yellow jackets and glowstick ravers).
Its not about telling people what they can and cant produce. If truth be told the up and comings make whatever style they want and enjoy making, whereas the bignames make a style of music that will bring the most profit. Hell they would start making childrens music if it gave them more money
Thats how happy hardcore started 20 years ago! I'm sure Luna-C would know! There were many top 10 hits!
He's not on about top 10 hits, the fact is that the music now doesn't cater for ravers and is cashing in on a totally different crowd, and as long as that crowd are supporting it, they will favour them over the original ravers who have stuck with the music for years, which is a massive joke really. Pendulum is a perfect example because they did exactly this with the drum n bass scene. They used to make slightly cheesy good catchy drum n bass which had chart hits - no problem. But then they realised their use of guitars had hooked the rock crowd; and then what happened? They changed their label to Sony Music and went from playing drum n bass at raves to playing synth-influenced power rock at sold out arenas. It's not about chart hits - every genre gets its 15 minutes of fame, but when you turn your back on your fans and cater for an entirely new audience with entirely new music, you're no longer a part of the scene you turned your back on. Hardcore is no different.
Speaking of which it's not the first time it's happened either, Prodigy used to be hardcore, and they also used to be ravers who would go to raves to hear Jimmy J and now look at them, they're about as far removed from the scene as you can get.
I don't think you got my point! He mentioned them making childrens music to get more money! 20 years ago it happened! (Luna-C was one) You mentoin The Prodidgy and how they have changed ect, well Charly was experemental in its day, then all of a sudden every kids show was sampled to make mass hardcore tunes, and all of them were bought by mainstream people who had never been to a rave, I was 20 at the time and got pi**ed off with them! I was into the hardcore scene, like I still am, but if it meant that a few bought those records and then moved onto the whole scene in general, then I suppose it helped! Same today, if someone hears Darren Styles at Clubland, they might look for more, If not then so what! You can only like what you like at the end of the day!
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 01:54:43
Yup I'm definitely nominating this for the Worst/Annoying Topic Of the Year
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 02:03:16
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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
I have only read the last page of this thread, so forgive me if I repeat - I was bored and ego searching to see if I was mentioned lol.
Anyway, I was just gonna say that I don't think you can blame either The Prodigy or Pendulum for moving away from the scenes that birthed them, and you cant blame them for inadvertently changing the scene either. If you have a hugely successful release (and this is true for any artist, rock, rave, hip hop, whatever), you always end up with a problem:
Do you make the same thing you made before, and keep your fans but eventually become boring and disappear, or do you make something new, risk alienating your current fans, but keep what you are doing fresh?
You have to chose one or the other, and neither guarantees more success.
Prodigy outgrew the rave scene, Pendulum outgrew D'n'B. Both did so by being fearless and moving forward with their sound, rather than staying the same. Its annoying to those who regard themselves as "true" followers to the scene, but think of how many "big" artists faded away because they did the same thing over and over again? Remix Records did that in hardcore, and Aphrodite did that in D'n'B, and those are just two of hundreds of examples. There is only so long you can keep putting out the same formula before people get tired of it.
And there is a big difference between outgrowing a scene, and selling out. One is where music changes as the artists feels and the people follow him and grow, the other is when an artist changes his music to get more sales, and its sometimes very hard to see the difference.
What damages the scene is when a bunch of people all copy the big successful act, and everything ends up sounding the same. This is not the fault of the big successful act.
Hardcore will never be itself again until it stops trying to be every other music and reclaims its own sound. It has always been influenced by other music, but being influenced is not the same as being identical only faster.
I never blamed them for it, all I'm saying when you change your style and audience that drastically, you can't expect to still be a part of the scene you evolved from. Same with electro hardcore, it's too much of an imitation of club music and they turned their back on the real ravers years ago, therefore they have no right to pretend they're a part of hardcore music at all. You know as well as I do that the modern electrocore has nothing to do with a sound developing because it's far too much of a carbon copy of what other genres are doing for that, but as long as it can't be specifically 'proven' they will continue to act as if they are some kind of musical pioneers when they're anything but.
True.
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 02:11:57
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Yup I'm definitely nominating this for the Worst/Annoying Topic Of the Year
Too right, I think I nominated it in the HappyHardcore.com awards. This thread has been a saga for me, writing huge posts and debating with members from all over the world, having personal attacks thrown at me and being called all kinds of names. This thread just will not die, constant misinterpretation has left me saying the same things over and over and defending myself against misunderstandings people seem to be having. I have people constantly correcting me on things I haven't even said.
Let me take you on a little tour of how I have to deal with the posts in this thread on a daily basis. Here's a post recently made by a member named "The Doc", a regular on the HappyHardcore.com forums and scene veteran, he's written today to say this:
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Originally posted by The Doc:
I don't think you got my point! He mentioned them making childrens music to get more money! 20 years ago it happened! (Luna-C was one) You mentoin The Prodidgy and how they have changed ect, well Charly was experemental in its day, then all of a sudden every kids show was sampled to make mass hardcore tunes, and all of them were bought by mainstream people who had never been to a rave, I was 20 at the time and got pi**ed off with them! I was into the hardcore scene, like I still am, but if it meant that a few bought those records and then moved onto the whole scene in general, then I suppose it helped! Same today, if someone hears Darren Styles at Clubland, they might look for more, If not then so what! You can only like what you like at the end of the day!
Very true stuff Doc, a lot of the Acid House fans weren't too happy with Charly.
But...where does this come into what I was saying? I've never had a problem with the commercialism of any genre, from SL2 to Smart-Es to Darren Styles I've actually thoroughly enjoyed the chart topping side of hardcore.
I'm thoroughly confused, and now have to add fuel to the fire which will no doubt to and fro between us into pages 14 and 15, no doubt followed by an interjection in the form of a petty personal attack from a LoveThaCore just to heat things up again should we grow tired of our debate. I hate to be a commercial sell-out poster but am I even getting paid for this?? I feel like I deserve an award for being in this thread for so long.
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 02:12:22
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
I was just gonna say that I don't think you can blame either The Prodigy or Pendulum for moving away from the scenes that birthed them
Do you make the same thing you made before, and keep your fans but eventually become boring and disappear, or do you make something new, risk alienating your current fans, but keep what you are doing fresh?
You have to chose one or the other, and neither guarantees more success.
Prodigy outgrew the rave scene, Pendulum outgrew D'n'B. Both did so by being fearless and moving forward with their sound, rather than staying the same. Its annoying to those who regard themselves as "true" followers to the scene, but think of how many "big" artists faded away because they did the same thing over and over again? Remix Records did that in hardcore, and Aphrodite did that in D'n'B, and those are just two of hundreds of examples. There is only so long you can keep putting out the same formula before people get tired of it.
And there is a big difference between outgrowing a scene, and selling out. One is where music changes as the artists feels and the people follow him and grow, the other is when an artist changes his music to get more sales, and its sometimes very hard to see the difference.
What damages the scene is when a bunch of people all copy the big successful act, and everything ends up sounding the same. This is not the fault of the big successful act.
Hardcore will never be itself again until it stops trying to be every other music and reclaims its own sound. It has always been influenced by other music, but being influenced is not the same as being identical only faster.
The problem with pendulum was more about them changing the scene to cater for people who hate the genre to gather more publicity and gain more cash. Like what I mentioned with them and implementing guitars in the ways they did, it gained them followers of the indie/rock crowds who were actively slating dnb not so long before, but as it has guitars and is sort of rock like they start to love it and claim they love "dnb". Whereas you play them some proper dnb, maybe nightwalker stuff and they cant stand it. Maybe it is pushing the genre forwards but shouldnt it be called and branded as something else?
When the big changeover as such happened and dubstep was introduced into the scene, there was nothing really wrong with the scene to begin with, nothing was on the decline. Clubland xtreme's were good and selling well (I mean the earlier 1's with "slide away", "more and more"), im sure there was the bonkers albums still coming out when the trancy style was implemented, there was htid albums. I think maybe when the bignames started dealings with the aatw lot things eventually changed bigtime. At 1 point basshunter was the in thing... triplet sounds were introduced to core, then cascada were the in thing, that sort of style was then in core, now dubstep's the in thing, and thats the sort of hardcore being pushed now, maybe involved a few signed contracts and the aatw/clubland people playing them like puppets.
The way its changing is so drastic its not even like rave music anymore, instead of the lead/melodys its gone opposite for the darker/noise sound, and instead of a hard kick its gone mellow.
Its like the well known hardcore name is being used to boost sales and to sell music that is simply not of the rave genre and can be played on the radio or somewhere to gain extra income.
Nobody can change it at all, because once again the main decisions lies with the big names, moreso now because they are backed by millions of pounds worth of advertising and promotion budgets.
Even back to the old days, there was several labels releasing different styles of "happy hardcore", weather it was go mentals cheesey bootlegs, or stompys original vocal tracks on new era but they all had the same pop at the scene.
Now the typical raver who hates the dubstep rubbish can just listen to older tracks until theyve heard them 100000000's of times over. For the up and coming producer, they can just make stuff for fun and give it away for free to get some followers online, and thats about it sadly
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 02:17:18
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Originally posted by latininxtc:
Yup I'm definitely nominating this for the Worst/Annoying Topic Of the Year
Too right, I think I nominated it in the HappyHardcore.com awards. This thread has been a saga for me, writing huge posts and debating with members from all over the world, having personal attacks thrown at me and being called all kinds of names. This thread just will not die, constant misinterpretation has left me saying the same things over and over and defending myself against misunderstandings people seem to be having. I have people constantly correcting me on things I haven't even said.
Let me take you on a little tour of how I have to deal with the posts in this thread on a daily basis. Here's a post recently made by a member named "The Doc", a regular on the HappyHardcore.com forums and scene veteran, he's written today to say this:
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Originally posted by The Doc:
I don't think you got my point! He mentioned them making childrens music to get more money! 20 years ago it happened! (Luna-C was one) You mentoin The Prodidgy and how they have changed ect, well Charly was experemental in its day, then all of a sudden every kids show was sampled to make mass hardcore tunes, and all of them were bought by mainstream people who had never been to a rave, I was 20 at the time and got pi**ed off with them! I was into the hardcore scene, like I still am, but if it meant that a few bought those records and then moved onto the whole scene in general, then I suppose it helped! Same today, if someone hears Darren Styles at Clubland, they might look for more, If not then so what! You can only like what you like at the end of the day!
Very true stuff Doc, a lot of the Acid House fans weren't too happy with Charly.
But...where does this come into what I was saying? I've never had a problem with the commercialism of any genre, from SL2 to Smart-Es to Darren Styles I've actually thoroughly enjoyed the chart topping side of hardcore.
I'm thoroughly confused, and now have to add fuel to the fire which will no doubt to and fro between us into pages 14 and 15, no doubt followed by an interjection in the form of a petty personal attack from a LoveThaCore just to heat things up again should we grow tired of our debate. I hate to be a commercial sell-out poster but am I even getting paid for this?? I feel like I deserve an award for being in this thread for so long.
Actually you and your longass posts are part of the reason why I'm nominating this for that category. Why do you assume that everyone is directly talking to you? lol
This is pretty much a battle of personal opinions with no clear winner and no right answer. And the topic has blown way off course lol.
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 02:24:18
summary of the thread
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 09:01:57
A PLOT HOLE WAS FOUND!!!
Maybe it's AATW that's behind all this shit? The do ownClubland, and they run Hixxy, Breeze & Styles current labels!
So if they want management help and money from AATW, do as AATW tells them!
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 12:47:02
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Yup I'm definitely nominating this for the Worst/Annoying Topic Of the Year
People are voting?
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 13:03:07
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A PLOT HOLE WAS FOUND!!!
Maybe it's AATW that's behind all this shit? The do ownClubland, and they run Hixxy, Breeze & Styles current labels!
So if they want management help and money from AATW, do as AATW tells them!
But it's still their choice to do it. No one is to blame.
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 13:26:36
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Originally posted by SparkzMusic:
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Originally posted by Luna-C:
I was just gonna say that I don't think you can blame either The Prodigy or Pendulum for moving away from the scenes that birthed them
Do you make the same thing you made before, and keep your fans but eventually become boring and disappear, or do you make something new, risk alienating your current fans, but keep what you are doing fresh?
You have to chose one or the other, and neither guarantees more success.
Prodigy outgrew the rave scene, Pendulum outgrew D'n'B. Both did so by being fearless and moving forward with their sound, rather than staying the same. Its annoying to those who regard themselves as "true" followers to the scene, but think of how many "big" artists faded away because they did the same thing over and over again? Remix Records did that in hardcore, and Aphrodite did that in D'n'B, and those are just two of hundreds of examples. There is only so long you can keep putting out the same formula before people get tired of it.
And there is a big difference between outgrowing a scene, and selling out. One is where music changes as the artists feels and the people follow him and grow, the other is when an artist changes his music to get more sales, and its sometimes very hard to see the difference.
What damages the scene is when a bunch of people all copy the big successful act, and everything ends up sounding the same. This is not the fault of the big successful act.
Hardcore will never be itself again until it stops trying to be every other music and reclaims its own sound. It has always been influenced by other music, but being influenced is not the same as being identical only faster.
The problem with pendulum was more about them changing the scene to cater for people who hate the genre to gather more publicity and gain more cash.
The problem with your post SparkzMusic, and many like it, are things like this. It supposes that after years of struggling within the d'n'b scene to make a name for themselves, Pendulum woke up and decided that "yes, today is the day that we will deliberately change the scene for the people who hate it so we can make more cash!".
This is the sort of thing I hear people say all the time, but I am not sure how Pendulum went about it. I have been in the scene making music for over 20 years, and perhaps I am just stupid, but if anyone out there can tell me how I would go about changing the entire scene so that I can make more cash and get more publicity, it would really help me out!
Its easy to say such things because it lays the blame for what you don't like at the feet of one particular act, but in truth it is nonsense.
For a start, even if it were possible to change an entire scene made up of hundreds of thousands of people, why would they? The scene had given them noting but love.
And why would they change it for the people who hate the genre? Are you saying that Pendulum were never into D'n'B and always hated the scene, but went through years of hard work just to destroy it after d'n'b killed Pendulums parents?
Or that they always loved the scene, but once it made them a crap load of money they turned evil and decided that it wasn't enough to do well, they also had to kill everyone else by making the d'n'b scene lame?
I am not picking on you mate, you are not the first or the last to make such claims, I just want to point out how ridiculous it is once you actually think about it. When someone says "This Artist changed the d'n'b scene" they may be right. But the artist in question is standing on the shoulders of all the other artists who released music at that time, as well as every other element of the scene. Pendulum weren't the only one doing d'n'b mixed with rock - Andy C was as well, and so were many others. And it wasn't rock people that first bought d'n'b with that flavor, it was people within the d'n'b scene. And it wasn't rock Djs that played the tunes, it was d'n'b Djs. And it was people into d'n'b that bought the music. And it was only after all of that had happened, that it started to expand outside of the d'n'b scene, and that was not within the control of anyone.
When someone says "This Artist deliberately changed the d'n'b scene so that they can etc etc" they are always wrong. I dont think any artist ever wielded such power. Change is caused by millions of little events. Sometimes on act or artists will be on the tip of that change, and it is natural to see them as the reason for it because they are the obvious example. But it is a mistake, and it leads to assumptions which are simply not true.
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Posted - 2011/12/24 : 13:28:40
I do love an electro drop when i am on the floor or behind the decks!!! Ah shit, this thread is about cxh8 that has got forgotten about from the first page.........................PEOPLE HAVE OPINIONS>>>>WE GET THAT.....BUT PROVING THE POINT YOU HAVE AN OPINION OVER AND OVER IS BORING NOW, ESPECIALLY 13 pages... OOPS THATS ANOTHER OPINION RIGHT THERE.....sorry :P
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